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		<title>By: Samuel Mael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Mael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There you go, always stoking the flames of controversy.  As good as it feels to think one day all the evil monsters in this country will get their blood boiled and their corpses tossed out like garbage, there is my better side telling me that killing a person for the crimes that person has committed is sad, if not morally reprehensible.  And for me, that perspective always seems to win out - killing anyone for any reason is not the best way.  And despite what a lot of others might say, that is FAR from letting a stone cold killer off the hook.  To the contrary, society has a lot more to learn from such a position.  Psychologically, ethically and morally - though a brutal force opponent to this line of thinking is sure to sound off at any moment...  Good article, and man -- I REALLY freaking hate Scott Peterson.  With so much passion, the guy is beyond a creepy cold sore on the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go, always stoking the flames of controversy.  As good as it feels to think one day all the evil monsters in this country will get their blood boiled and their corpses tossed out like garbage, there is my better side telling me that killing a person for the crimes that person has committed is sad, if not morally reprehensible.  And for me, that perspective always seems to win out -- killing anyone for any reason is not the best way.  And despite what a lot of others might say, that is FAR from letting a stone cold killer off the hook.  To the contrary, society has a lot more to learn from such a position.  Psychologically, ethically and morally -- though a brutal force opponent to this line of thinking is sure to sound off at any moment&#8230;  Good article, and man &#8212; I REALLY freaking hate Scott Peterson.  With so much passion, the guy is beyond a creepy cold sore on the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for being a good sport! I&#039;m usually better known as &quot;that pain in the a$$.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being a good sport! I&#8217;m usually better known as &#8220;that pain in the a$$.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Walker</title>
		<link>http://expatspost.com/columns/hurricane-dean/california-votes-to-end-death-penalty/#comment-6227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true, Elisa. This is the classic nature vs nurture debate. Always fun to have!!! Thanks for your comments. I hope you continue to play Devil&#039;s advocate to all my articles. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true, Elisa. This is the classic nature vs nurture debate. Always fun to have!!! Thanks for your comments. I hope you continue to play Devil&#8217;s advocate to all my articles. <img src='http://expatspost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elisa Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t my area of knowledge so I&#039;ll take your word for it. :) However I must say that other nations providing education and finding them employment made me think of &quot;Demolition Man.&quot; Frankly, all systems are flawed because human beings are flawed and have free will.

Because a child is raised in a stable environment, given love daily and provided a solid education and upstanding moral role models doesn&#039;t guarantee he will never kick a puppy, set his back yard on fire or pick on the smaller boy with glasses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t my area of knowledge so I&#8217;ll take your word for it. <img src='http://expatspost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  However I must say that other nations providing education and finding them employment made me think of &#8220;Demolition Man.&#8221; Frankly, all systems are flawed because human beings are flawed and have free will.</p>
<p>Because a child is raised in a stable environment, given love daily and provided a solid education and upstanding moral role models doesn&#8217;t guarantee he will never kick a puppy, set his back yard on fire or pick on the smaller boy with glasses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elisa, I know it seems counter intuitive, but it actually costs the state over $1 million dollars a year to house a man on Death Row and around $75,000 a year (including medical, food, and clothing) to house an inmate serving life in prison. So, as the former wardon of San Quinent points out, the total cost of saving to California be ending capital punishment can add up to a total savings in 5 years to $1 billion dollars. 

As for &quot;fevolous appeals&quot;, that&#039;s just the opinion of a group of prosecutors that support the death penality. If the judge thinks it is fevolous, he could aways dismiss the appeal. Most judges will not throw out an appeal because they don&#039;t want to rush to judgement and kill innocent people, like we see in Texas and other states. 

Finally, there are other nations that have shown rehablitation can work. Some nations actually work to lower their recidivism rates by proven techniques like providing criminals with education and helping them get jobs after they complete their sentences. However, the U.S. is a violant nation and prefers to punish criminals over rehablitating them. That&#039;s why our prision system has turn into university for criminality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisa, I know it seems counter intuitive, but it actually costs the state over $1 million dollars a year to house a man on Death Row and around $75,000 a year (including medical, food, and clothing) to house an inmate serving life in prison. So, as the former wardon of San Quinent points out, the total cost of saving to California be ending capital punishment can add up to a total savings in 5 years to $1 billion dollars. </p>
<p>As for &#8220;fevolous appeals&#8221;, that&#8217;s just the opinion of a group of prosecutors that support the death penality. If the judge thinks it is fevolous, he could aways dismiss the appeal. Most judges will not throw out an appeal because they don&#8217;t want to rush to judgement and kill innocent people, like we see in Texas and other states. </p>
<p>Finally, there are other nations that have shown rehablitation can work. Some nations actually work to lower their recidivism rates by proven techniques like providing criminals with education and helping them get jobs after they complete their sentences. However, the U.S. is a violant nation and prefers to punish criminals over rehablitating them. That&#8217;s why our prision system has turn into university for criminality.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m failing to see how keeping these people alive so they can work and have their wages used by the state is cost effective compared with performing the death penalty and not having to provide food, shelter, clothing and medical care for them.

Touching on a point you mentioned, though, perhaps a better route to take would be to fine and somehow penalize attorneys who file frivolous appeals. There should be (if there is not) legal jargon stating that if you&#039;re convicted you can appeal IF you were NOT convicted by an overwhelming preponderance of evidence.

As an aside, in a prison housing convicted killers/rapists, etc, the felons that go in with lesser crimes are more likely to learn new (BAD) &quot;tricks&quot; to dazzle us with upon their release. That should bear some thought and comment in this debate as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m failing to see how keeping these people alive so they can work and have their wages used by the state is cost effective compared with performing the death penalty and not having to provide food, shelter, clothing and medical care for them.</p>
<p>Touching on a point you mentioned, though, perhaps a better route to take would be to fine and somehow penalize attorneys who file frivolous appeals. There should be (if there is not) legal jargon stating that if you&#8217;re convicted you can appeal IF you were NOT convicted by an overwhelming preponderance of evidence.</p>
<p>As an aside, in a prison housing convicted killers/rapists, etc, the felons that go in with lesser crimes are more likely to learn new (BAD) &#8220;tricks&#8221; to dazzle us with upon their release. That should bear some thought and comment in this debate as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 06:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Riveting article Dean. I read parts of it twice in fact. One would hope with DNA evidence now available that we will convict less innocent people. No system is full-proof... I hate the idea that we pay to keep people imprisoned for life that are guilty of heinous murder... this article has given me pause and made me think about the issue a little deeper. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riveting article Dean. I read parts of it twice in fact. One would hope with DNA evidence now available that we will convict less innocent people. No system is full-proof&#8230; I hate the idea that we pay to keep people imprisoned for life that are guilty of heinous murder&#8230; this article has given me pause and made me think about the issue a little deeper. <img src='http://expatspost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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